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	<title>Comments on: BAR&#8217;s &amp; Honda&#8217;s Livery Development: 1999 &#8211; 2008</title>
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		<title>By: Milos</title>
		<link>http://blogf1.co.uk/2009/01/31/bars-hondas-livery-developement-1999-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-69998</link>
		<dc:creator>Milos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 13:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for me the best were the 2004 - 2006 liveries. those cars had the race car look. 2007 was horrible, 2008 a bit better :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for me the best were the 2004 &#8211; 2006 liveries. those cars had the race car look. 2007 was horrible, 2008 a bit better <img src='http://blogf1.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Oliver White</title>
		<link>http://blogf1.co.uk/2009/01/31/bars-hondas-livery-developement-1999-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-69994</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 18:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If you’re referring to Jenson’s win, it was 2006 not 2005&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Oh yeah. I lose track when I have to think back more than twelve months. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If you’re referring to Jenson’s win, it was 2006 not 2005</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh yeah. I lose track when I have to think back more than twelve months. <img src='http://blogf1.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: lou</title>
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		<dc:creator>lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 18:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Ollie, a joy to read :) 
I like pretty much all of the Honda liveries, but I think my favourites are the 05/06 cars, plus the special livery for Italy &#039;04. I also liked last year’s livery, it just appeals to me, okay the car was rubbish but at least the livery looked better than ‘ 07 ;)

&lt;blockquote&gt;Honda did manage a race win in 2005&lt;/blockquote&gt;
If you’re referring to Jenson&#039;s win, it was 2006 not 2005 ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Ollie, a joy to read <img src='http://blogf1.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I like pretty much all of the Honda liveries, but I think my favourites are the 05/06 cars, plus the special livery for Italy &#8216;04. I also liked last year’s livery, it just appeals to me, okay the car was rubbish but at least the livery looked better than ‘ 07 <img src='http://blogf1.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<blockquote><p>Honda did manage a race win in 2005</p></blockquote>
<p>If you’re referring to Jenson&#8217;s win, it was 2006 not 2005 <img src='http://blogf1.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 17:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The aborted 1999 attempt never made it to the grid, so I think it’s a little unfair to say they quit, considering they never really got started. Interestingly though, the ‘68 and ‘99 withdrawals were both because of the death of someone close to the project. The ‘08 withdrawal was because of finances.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Cheers for the comment Ollie.

Just for the record, I wasn&#039;t thinking about the &#039;99 car - it wouldn&#039;t be fair to include that as it never raced due to the lead designer passing away.

The &#039;68 effort was going very well until their driver died.  In those days that was a more normal occurrence and I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a very good reason to pull out - Lotus didn&#039;t pull out when Jim Clark or Jochen Rindt died and neither did a lot of other teams.

The Engine withdrawal was simply because after 6-odd years of dominating the sport they started losing and for some reason didn&#039;t want to continue.  The 2008 withdrawal was officially due to finances, but really we all know that the car has been rubbish for years and Honda couldn&#039;t spare the embarassment any longer.

So we have a manufacturer that quits every time they stop winning - and each time leaving a lot of people in the lurch.  I don&#039;t agree with how they have historically run their teams and I don&#039;t feel that they are loyal enough to have added any value to the sport.  Therefore I think they are a waste of space and I hope someone buys the team and turns it into a winner just to show that the boys at Brackley can do things right ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The aborted 1999 attempt never made it to the grid, so I think it’s a little unfair to say they quit, considering they never really got started. Interestingly though, the ‘68 and ‘99 withdrawals were both because of the death of someone close to the project. The ‘08 withdrawal was because of finances.</p></blockquote>
<p>Cheers for the comment Ollie.</p>
<p>Just for the record, I wasn&#8217;t thinking about the &#8216;99 car &#8211; it wouldn&#8217;t be fair to include that as it never raced due to the lead designer passing away.</p>
<p>The &#8216;68 effort was going very well until their driver died.  In those days that was a more normal occurrence and I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a very good reason to pull out &#8211; Lotus didn&#8217;t pull out when Jim Clark or Jochen Rindt died and neither did a lot of other teams.</p>
<p>The Engine withdrawal was simply because after 6-odd years of dominating the sport they started losing and for some reason didn&#8217;t want to continue.  The 2008 withdrawal was officially due to finances, but really we all know that the car has been rubbish for years and Honda couldn&#8217;t spare the embarassment any longer.</p>
<p>So we have a manufacturer that quits every time they stop winning &#8211; and each time leaving a lot of people in the lurch.  I don&#8217;t agree with how they have historically run their teams and I don&#8217;t feel that they are loyal enough to have added any value to the sport.  Therefore I think they are a waste of space and I hope someone buys the team and turns it into a winner just to show that the boys at Brackley can do things right <img src='http://blogf1.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: R.G</title>
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		<dc:creator>R.G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 17:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a shame really that Honda bowed out on the worst livery of them all. Of them all, I do quite like the Spanish GP 2004 one</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a shame really that Honda bowed out on the worst livery of them all. Of them all, I do quite like the Spanish GP 2004 one</p>
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		<title>By: Bassano Clapper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bassano Clapper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another great analysis Ollie. Unfortunately for Honda, I think the livery design peaked in BAR&#039;s final year. Maybe they took the creatives with them, 2006 was an evolution and then it was Blearth Car!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another great analysis Ollie. Unfortunately for Honda, I think the livery design peaked in BAR&#8217;s final year. Maybe they took the creatives with them, 2006 was an evolution and then it was Blearth Car!</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Great job, Ollie! Keep going with these posts! Hope to see a Ferrari one soon.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Thanks Journeyer. I do hope you&#039;re joking about wanting a Ferrari one - I fear that post could develop into a site all unto itself! :)

&lt;blockquote&gt;at the back of the sidepod winglets, they put a design of their specific driver’s flag&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I didn&#039;t notice that. I&#039;ll have a look around and see if I can find a photo.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Extremely unhappy for Honda, the team was second to Ferrari in 2004&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I agree. Some say Honda won&#039;t be missed, but I think losing a team is bad for the sport, whether you support them or not.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I think the best ones Honda/BAR had in 2005/2006. That’s one of these amazing colour-shemes traditional F1 Fans would like most…&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;05 and 06 were classic liveries - they never should have changed them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Indeed. I forgot to mention that old Hondas from the sixties were white - it was Japan&#039;s national racing colour, like British Racing Green and Rosso Corsa for Italy.

&lt;blockquote&gt;just the problem, the [Earth] car on track never looked that good.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Or raced well. I know this post is about the liveries, but if a car performs well then many sins-in-design are hidden. Gonna be interesting what we all think of the Renault livery at the end of the year...

&lt;blockquote&gt;Good riddance Honda, you were a waste of space and for the third time you quit because the sport was too difficult for you.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Don&#039;t beat about the bush, Gavin. Just come right out and say what you think! :D Although I thought it was only the second time they&#039;ve quit as a constructor, and the third as an engine supplier. The aborted 1999 attempt never made it to the grid, so I think it&#039;s a little unfair to say they quit, considering they never really got started. Interestingly though, the &#039;68 and &#039;99 withdrawals were both because of the death of someone close to the project. The &#039;08 withdrawal was because of finances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Great job, Ollie! Keep going with these posts! Hope to see a Ferrari one soon.</p></blockquote>
<p>Thanks Journeyer. I do hope you&#8217;re joking about wanting a Ferrari one &#8211; I fear that post could develop into a site all unto itself! <img src='http://blogf1.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<blockquote><p>at the back of the sidepod winglets, they put a design of their specific driver’s flag</p></blockquote>
<p>I didn&#8217;t notice that. I&#8217;ll have a look around and see if I can find a photo.</p>
<blockquote><p>Extremely unhappy for Honda, the team was second to Ferrari in 2004</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree. Some say Honda won&#8217;t be missed, but I think losing a team is bad for the sport, whether you support them or not.</p>
<blockquote><p>I think the best ones Honda/BAR had in 2005/2006. That’s one of these amazing colour-shemes traditional F1 Fans would like most…</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>05 and 06 were classic liveries &#8211; they never should have changed them.</p></blockquote>
<p>Indeed. I forgot to mention that old Hondas from the sixties were white &#8211; it was Japan&#8217;s national racing colour, like British Racing Green and Rosso Corsa for Italy.</p>
<blockquote><p>just the problem, the [Earth] car on track never looked that good.</p></blockquote>
<p>Or raced well. I know this post is about the liveries, but if a car performs well then many sins-in-design are hidden. Gonna be interesting what we all think of the Renault livery at the end of the year&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>Good riddance Honda, you were a waste of space and for the third time you quit because the sport was too difficult for you.</p></blockquote>
<p>Don&#8217;t beat about the bush, Gavin. Just come right out and say what you think! <img src='http://blogf1.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  Although I thought it was only the second time they&#8217;ve quit as a constructor, and the third as an engine supplier. The aborted 1999 attempt never made it to the grid, so I think it&#8217;s a little unfair to say they quit, considering they never really got started. Interestingly though, the &#8216;68 and &#8216;99 withdrawals were both because of the death of someone close to the project. The &#8216;08 withdrawal was because of finances.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>05 and 06 were classic liveries - they never should have changed them.


Good riddance Honda, you were a waste of space and for the third time you quit because the sport was too difficult for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>05 and 06 were classic liveries &#8211; they never should have changed them.</p>
<p>Good riddance Honda, you were a waste of space and for the third time you quit because the sport was too difficult for you.</p>
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		<title>By: empii</title>
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		<dc:creator>empii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 11:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the best ones Honda/BAR had in 2005/2006. That&#039;s one of these amazing colour-shemes traditional F1 Fans would like most... The old colours from Hondas F1-Engagement in the 60s combined with a very modern design, especially that 2006 &quot;Racing Revolution&quot; red circle. I really liked it, even if I think the 2005 car itself looked nicer in it&#039;s form.

I also liked the Earth-Car when I first saw it, I think it looks amazing on white background... the colours were really bright and great to look at ... just the problem, the car on track never looked that good. The second one, as I already said in another topic, looked alot better on track, it just should have had more red stripes on it - mostly the fins on the front wing would have looked great with it and also the long fin behind the airbox instead of the circle around it (which looked terrible idealess in my opinon).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the best ones Honda/BAR had in 2005/2006. That&#8217;s one of these amazing colour-shemes traditional F1 Fans would like most&#8230; The old colours from Hondas F1-Engagement in the 60s combined with a very modern design, especially that 2006 &#8220;Racing Revolution&#8221; red circle. I really liked it, even if I think the 2005 car itself looked nicer in it&#8217;s form.</p>
<p>I also liked the Earth-Car when I first saw it, I think it looks amazing on white background&#8230; the colours were really bright and great to look at &#8230; just the problem, the car on track never looked that good. The second one, as I already said in another topic, looked alot better on track, it just should have had more red stripes on it &#8211; mostly the fins on the front wing would have looked great with it and also the long fin behind the airbox instead of the circle around it (which looked terrible idealess in my opinon).</p>
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		<title>By: Harshad Joshi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harshad Joshi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 04:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Extremely unhappy for Honda, the team was second to Ferrari in 2004 and could have well become champion, the clean white livery was nice, god knows why they turned to the slimy green earth dreams scheme, the car, the team and the drivers got a setback...

Bad for Rubens Barichello, and more bad for Jenson Button, who could well have become a champion before Hamilton..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Extremely unhappy for Honda, the team was second to Ferrari in 2004 and could have well become champion, the clean white livery was nice, god knows why they turned to the slimy green earth dreams scheme, the car, the team and the drivers got a setback&#8230;</p>
<p>Bad for Rubens Barichello, and more bad for Jenson Button, who could well have become a champion before Hamilton..</p>
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		<title>By: Journeyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Journeyer</dc:creator>
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		<description>Great job, Ollie!  Keep going with these posts!  Hope to see a Ferrari one soon.  :D

Anyway, going back to BAR/Honda, I remember them creating a nice little touch - at the back of the sidepod winglets, they put a design of their specific driver&#039;s flag - such that if Button were driving, for example, you&#039;d see his flag on both winglets.  You&#039;ll see them through the default onboard camera - I guess it helped the team identify which driver they were watching.

It&#039;s on the 2006 DVD, if I&#039;m not mistaken.  One of the onboard laps, methinks.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great job, Ollie!  Keep going with these posts!  Hope to see a Ferrari one soon.  <img src='http://blogf1.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anyway, going back to BAR/Honda, I remember them creating a nice little touch &#8211; at the back of the sidepod winglets, they put a design of their specific driver&#8217;s flag &#8211; such that if Button were driving, for example, you&#8217;d see his flag on both winglets.  You&#8217;ll see them through the default onboard camera &#8211; I guess it helped the team identify which driver they were watching.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s on the 2006 DVD, if I&#8217;m not mistaken.  One of the onboard laps, methinks.  <img src='http://blogf1.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Oliver White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 23:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;i (heart) these posts ollie. thank you&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Pleased as ever to provide. I&#039;m still working on the Williams mega-monster livery post, and am now considering a Jordan tribute. After all, Eddie set the trend for many with his tobacco acronyms, not to mention the snakes, sharks and what-not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>i (heart) these posts ollie. thank you</p></blockquote>
<p>Pleased as ever to provide. I&#8217;m still working on the Williams mega-monster livery post, and am now considering a Jordan tribute. After all, Eddie set the trend for many with his tobacco acronyms, not to mention the snakes, sharks and what-not.</p>
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		<title>By: me</title>
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		<dc:creator>me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 23:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i (heart) these posts ollie.  thank you :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i (heart) these posts ollie.  thank you <img src='http://blogf1.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Oliver White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 21:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are more one-off liveries, so please remind me in the comments. Also, I am fairly certain that the team did manage to run two different liveries at one race (Lucky Strike and 555), but can&#039;t for the life of me remember when. If you have a photograph/link, please let me know below.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are more one-off liveries, so please remind me in the comments. Also, I am fairly certain that the team did manage to run two different liveries at one race (Lucky Strike and 555), but can&#8217;t for the life of me remember when. If you have a photograph/link, please let me know below.</p>
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