In terms of the pit land incident in Singapore, I would say that Ferrari as a team should be punished, perhaps with a fine. I don’t think Massa did anything wrong in that one, as he was just reacting to what he saw in front of him.

Gusto- Very good and I completely agree, but I normally phrase it as the “Ferrari Insurance Agency”

Massa was skating on extremely thin ice. I counted him break regulations four times (though I admit the avoidable collision with Hamilton was only avoidable because he’d already parted company with the track). If anyone breaks four regulations in three separate incidents and only gets one drive-through penalty for it, they can consider themselves more than a little lucky.

Bourdais was simply the victim of an inattentive Massa and some even less attentive stewards.

For this, the stewards should give themselves a penalty. 100 lines of “I must judge races in a fair and equitable manner according to the regulations set out by the FIA” should do it.

Bourdais is completely innocent. Could the stewards explain what else he could have done? It’s a joke, and it’s bringing the sport into disrepute.

Also, there was no contact between Hamilton and Raikkonen. If you look at the playback, you’ll see Lewis’s team-mate actually gets closer to Kimi and keeps him off the track.

Why is the net result of their decisions in favour of Ferrari? A championship win supported by the stewards is a hollow victory indeed.

Get rid of these amateurs, put some professionals including ex-drivers in their place and save F1.

P.S. Do I see correclty that you are suggesting that Massa perhaps should not have been penalized in Singapore with driver thropugh

Not quite, although my language is a bit dodgy there! I believe the team deserved punishment for releasing Massa into the path of another car. As I said, it was to be expected:

In this case, a penalty is expected as Ferrari were being unnecessarily unsafe, but surely the punishment of waiting at the end of the pitlane for what seemed like an eternity was enough?

But Massa’s race was ruined when he had to sit at the end of the pitlane and wait for his team to come down and remove the hose. Therefore, with his race ruined, why give him a drive-thru. Instead, given the incidents of the the past, a race suspension would have been more appropriate (as in, mess up one more time and you’ll be in a whole heap of trouble).

Tony, never heard of that one. Often, the stewards will not even bother to investigate unless someone complains. In the past the stewards/FIA have also investigated, but the result has been “a racing accident, no blame worth giving” or words to that effect.

But my question is this:

Isn’t there, as of a few years back, a rule that ANY incident (e.g. the Bourdais thing) must be investigated and penalized by the stewards?

Sort of like if there’s an accident, the cops have to give out a ticket to someone, anyone (that’s how it is in The States anyway).

Massa vs Hamilton - pure racing incident in my eyes.

however, the stewards clearly did not want to face the outcry of McLaren and Hamilton fans and so they came up with a package deal, penalized both …

Bourdais plain silly. From the angle TV screens showed us it is a bit difficult to say who was where first. I would say they both drove like they forgot their eyes at home. In any case, racing incident where inevstigation perhaps may take a place, but penaly, why on earth …

I am not buying those Ferrari International Assitance claims, I simply don’t. But I do agree with Ollie here that stewards, without clear rules and guidelines, are over reacting ruining the races …

P.S. Do I see correclty that you are suggesting that Massa perhaps should not have been penalized in Singapore with driver thropugh ? Wow, you are walking thin ice here