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	<title>Comments on: Are There Enough Food Fights In Formula One?</title>
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		<title>By: Steven Roy</title>
		<link>http://blogf1.co.uk/2008/03/08/are-there-enough-food-fights-in-formula-one/#comment-63909</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought Coulthard's comments when he joined Red Bull were enlightening.  He turned up for his first interview as a Red Bull driver unshaven and in a scruffy tee shirt.  The interviewer asked why after all the years of appearing dressed to perfection and shaved to the point where his skin looked polished he suddenly appeared so casual.  DC said that when he was with McLaren he had to consider how everything he said or did would play in all the countries and cultures that were involved in the McLaren team as sponsors etc and now he only had to worry about what one man thought.  He went on to say that Mateschitz told him that if he woke up one morning and felt like dying his beard purple like Villeneuve to just go ahead and do it.

I think part of the problem is that drivers have put so much into getting into F1 that they don't want to risk upsetting their team, its engine supplier, its sponsors etc that they simply switch off their personality in public.  Jackie Stewart has spoken at length about how to dress to meet a customer/sponsor.  He says that you should always appear more conservative than the customer as that is less likely to cause offence.  So following his advice racing drivers wrap their persona in a dark suit, white shirt and a dark tie.

It appears that the loss of the privateer team where one man's personality is all that mattered has had the follow on effect of homogenising drivers.  Jordan drivers were never limited.  Villeneuve was given free reign at Williams because Frank's only requiremnet of a driver is that he can drive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Coulthard&#8217;s comments when he joined Red Bull were enlightening.  He turned up for his first interview as a Red Bull driver unshaven and in a scruffy tee shirt.  The interviewer asked why after all the years of appearing dressed to perfection and shaved to the point where his skin looked polished he suddenly appeared so casual.  DC said that when he was with McLaren he had to consider how everything he said or did would play in all the countries and cultures that were involved in the McLaren team as sponsors etc and now he only had to worry about what one man thought.  He went on to say that Mateschitz told him that if he woke up one morning and felt like dying his beard purple like Villeneuve to just go ahead and do it.</p>
<p>I think part of the problem is that drivers have put so much into getting into F1 that they don&#8217;t want to risk upsetting their team, its engine supplier, its sponsors etc that they simply switch off their personality in public.  Jackie Stewart has spoken at length about how to dress to meet a customer/sponsor.  He says that you should always appear more conservative than the customer as that is less likely to cause offence.  So following his advice racing drivers wrap their persona in a dark suit, white shirt and a dark tie.</p>
<p>It appears that the loss of the privateer team where one man&#8217;s personality is all that mattered has had the follow on effect of homogenising drivers.  Jordan drivers were never limited.  Villeneuve was given free reign at Williams because Frank&#8217;s only requiremnet of a driver is that he can drive.</p>
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		<title>By: openwheel</title>
		<link>http://blogf1.co.uk/2008/03/08/are-there-enough-food-fights-in-formula-one/#comment-63894</link>
		<dc:creator>openwheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 03:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is all because F1 teams believe in the old, out-of-date model of PR. It used to be that making your product look like a plaster saint was the way to make it most attractive to people. The trouble is that it’s not realistic, so people eventually saw through the entire methodology. Now, enlightened companies show their products in the most positive version of they really are rather than making them something they cannot be. Unfortunately, teams haven’t cottoned on to this.

I am not sure I agree with you Alianora.  The companies that are sponsors are very very image concience.  They would never like to see their product in any other light then as if it was through rose colored glasses.  I think I need an example of what you mean.  I still hold true to the fact that Madison Ave execs are like Lenin they believe that "the masses are asses".  Most adverts today are geared to a 5th grade education or less.  They also expect that their representatives to toe the company line as if they were employees and technically they are.  Here in the US during the 60's athletes took a stand on issues.  Mind you this was before the multi million dollar endorsement deals.  I admired them for it even if I did not agree with them.  Today you can not get an athlete to tell which presidential candidate they like.  Not because they do not have a favorite.  They just do not want any controvery to screw up an endorsement.  So by the drivers acting the company men they ensure there endorsement dollars for years to come.

by the way it is good to hear that there is another swimmer out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is all because F1 teams believe in the old, out-of-date model of PR. It used to be that making your product look like a plaster saint was the way to make it most attractive to people. The trouble is that it’s not realistic, so people eventually saw through the entire methodology. Now, enlightened companies show their products in the most positive version of they really are rather than making them something they cannot be. Unfortunately, teams haven’t cottoned on to this.</p>
<p>I am not sure I agree with you Alianora.  The companies that are sponsors are very very image concience.  They would never like to see their product in any other light then as if it was through rose colored glasses.  I think I need an example of what you mean.  I still hold true to the fact that Madison Ave execs are like Lenin they believe that &#8220;the masses are asses&#8221;.  Most adverts today are geared to a 5th grade education or less.  They also expect that their representatives to toe the company line as if they were employees and technically they are.  Here in the US during the 60&#8217;s athletes took a stand on issues.  Mind you this was before the multi million dollar endorsement deals.  I admired them for it even if I did not agree with them.  Today you can not get an athlete to tell which presidential candidate they like.  Not because they do not have a favorite.  They just do not want any controvery to screw up an endorsement.  So by the drivers acting the company men they ensure there endorsement dollars for years to come.</p>
<p>by the way it is good to hear that there is another swimmer out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Alianora La Canta</title>
		<link>http://blogf1.co.uk/2008/03/08/are-there-enough-food-fights-in-formula-one/#comment-63893</link>
		<dc:creator>Alianora La Canta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 01:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm in my early 20s and don't get up to this sort of stuff (nightclubs and discos are too noisy, I don't want to start dating yet and I find computers, reading and swimming more interesting anyway), but I doubt a random sample of 22 people my age would get 22 clones of me. Yet we are expected to believe that none of the F1 drivers (except the Red Bull/Toro Rosso lot) are into any form of clubbing or dancing, that only three or four of them possess a sense of humour and that about half of them have no hobbies at all (well, I'd believe the last one were it not for the end-of-season annuals...)

This is all because F1 teams believe in the old, out-of-date model of PR. It used to be that making your product look like a plaster saint was the way to make it most attractive to people. The trouble is that it's not realistic, so people eventually saw through the entire methodology. Now, enlightened companies show their products in the most positive version of they really are rather than making them something they cannot be. Unfortunately, teams haven't cottoned on to this. Clive's point about drivers being very young when put into the PR machine, and openwheel's about the time constraints on drivers, are significant factors too).

As for the team bosses/managers/senior workers replacing the drivers for the place where personalities can be found, that can be put down to age again (it's usually the older ones which have the personality) and power allowing people the freedom to be themselves (a variation on another of Clive's points).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in my early 20s and don&#8217;t get up to this sort of stuff (nightclubs and discos are too noisy, I don&#8217;t want to start dating yet and I find computers, reading and swimming more interesting anyway), but I doubt a random sample of 22 people my age would get 22 clones of me. Yet we are expected to believe that none of the F1 drivers (except the Red Bull/Toro Rosso lot) are into any form of clubbing or dancing, that only three or four of them possess a sense of humour and that about half of them have no hobbies at all (well, I&#8217;d believe the last one were it not for the end-of-season annuals&#8230;)</p>
<p>This is all because F1 teams believe in the old, out-of-date model of PR. It used to be that making your product look like a plaster saint was the way to make it most attractive to people. The trouble is that it&#8217;s not realistic, so people eventually saw through the entire methodology. Now, enlightened companies show their products in the most positive version of they really are rather than making them something they cannot be. Unfortunately, teams haven&#8217;t cottoned on to this. Clive&#8217;s point about drivers being very young when put into the PR machine, and openwheel&#8217;s about the time constraints on drivers, are significant factors too).</p>
<p>As for the team bosses/managers/senior workers replacing the drivers for the place where personalities can be found, that can be put down to age again (it&#8217;s usually the older ones which have the personality) and power allowing people the freedom to be themselves (a variation on another of Clive&#8217;s points).</p>
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		<title>By: openwheel</title>
		<link>http://blogf1.co.uk/2008/03/08/are-there-enough-food-fights-in-formula-one/#comment-63891</link>
		<dc:creator>openwheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 22:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Ollie I so not know how to provide links so I just generalized the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Ollie I so not know how to provide links so I just generalized the article.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver White</title>
		<link>http://blogf1.co.uk/2008/03/08/are-there-enough-food-fights-in-formula-one/#comment-63890</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 21:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article that openwheel spoke of: Ed Gorman from The Times punishes himself with Lewis Hamilton. &lt;a href="http://timesonline.typepad.com/formula_one/2008/03/working-out-at.html" title="External Link: Times Online Article About Driver Training" rel="nofollow"&gt;Working Out At Woking&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article that openwheel spoke of: Ed Gorman from The Times punishes himself with Lewis Hamilton. <a href="http://timesonline.typepad.com/formula_one/2008/03/working-out-at.html" title="External Link: Times Online Article About Driver Training" rel="nofollow">Working Out At Woking</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: openwheel</title>
		<link>http://blogf1.co.uk/2008/03/08/are-there-enough-food-fights-in-formula-one/#comment-63889</link>
		<dc:creator>openwheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 21:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clive with age we all tend to forget what we did in our youth.  I have mates that call at least once a month to remind me!!

There was an article in the Times that showed the physical training that a driver does today.  Somehow I doubt that drivers of yesterday would have followed it.

The money is so good and the competition for a seat is so strong today that the driver has to focus on his job first.  I don't like it but this is today's reality of racing F1.  toe the corperate line or die.  Kinda like publish or perish (me thinks)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clive with age we all tend to forget what we did in our youth.  I have mates that call at least once a month to remind me!!</p>
<p>There was an article in the Times that showed the physical training that a driver does today.  Somehow I doubt that drivers of yesterday would have followed it.</p>
<p>The money is so good and the competition for a seat is so strong today that the driver has to focus on his job first.  I don&#8217;t like it but this is today&#8217;s reality of racing F1.  toe the corperate line or die.  Kinda like publish or perish (me thinks)</p>
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		<title>By: Clive</title>
		<link>http://blogf1.co.uk/2008/03/08/are-there-enough-food-fights-in-formula-one/#comment-63885</link>
		<dc:creator>Clive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 18:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point about Dave Richards, Ollie - he is quite a character.  But that highlights something else that is going on - team bosses tend to forget what they were like in their youth and expect drivers to be good little boys without thoughts of their own.  Look at Gerhard Berger, one of the great characters of F1 when he was driving, but intolerant towards Scott Speed's similarly light-hearted approach to life.

In fact, the few remaining "big personalities" of F1 are the team bosses - flamboyant Flavio, Todt the grumpy toad, Big Bucks Mallya, PATRICK HEAD (shouted as Negative Camber does).  It's one law for the rich and another for the mere employees, I guess...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point about Dave Richards, Ollie - he is quite a character.  But that highlights something else that is going on - team bosses tend to forget what they were like in their youth and expect drivers to be good little boys without thoughts of their own.  Look at Gerhard Berger, one of the great characters of F1 when he was driving, but intolerant towards Scott Speed&#8217;s similarly light-hearted approach to life.</p>
<p>In fact, the few remaining &#8220;big personalities&#8221; of F1 are the team bosses - flamboyant Flavio, Todt the grumpy toad, Big Bucks Mallya, PATRICK HEAD (shouted as Negative Camber does).  It&#8217;s one law for the rich and another for the mere employees, I guess&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver White</title>
		<link>http://blogf1.co.uk/2008/03/08/are-there-enough-food-fights-in-formula-one/#comment-63884</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 17:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehe, just in case there is confusion with anyone, I've never heard Adrian Sutil say anything like what I said in the post. I just used him and the phrase as an example. I'm sure Sutil "toes the corporate line" just like the others and keeps his private life to himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehe, just in case there is confusion with anyone, I&#8217;ve never heard Adrian Sutil say anything like what I said in the post. I just used him and the phrase as an example. I&#8217;m sure Sutil &#8220;toes the corporate line&#8221; just like the others and keeps his private life to himself.</p>
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		<title>By: openwheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>openwheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 17:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes I tend to think of the team bosses in the same regards as the FIA when it comes to the drivers actions.  Everyone is to uptight about this corperate image stuff.  I think they need to lighten up and do what Sutil did the night before his interview!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I tend to think of the team bosses in the same regards as the FIA when it comes to the drivers actions.  Everyone is to uptight about this corperate image stuff.  I think they need to lighten up and do what Sutil did the night before his interview!!</p>
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